BOOK III.

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Yes, I did; and you are right in thinking that the same persons cannot succeed in both.
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Any more than they can be rhapsodists and actors at once?
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B Neither are comic and tragic actors the same; yet all these things are but imitations.
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he cannot even imitate many things. And human nature, Adeimantus, appears to have been 80 coined into yet smaller pieces, and to be as incapable of imitating many things well, as of performing well the actions of which the imitations are copies.
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If then we adhere to our original notion and bear in mind that our guardians, setting aside every other business, are to Cdedicate themselves wholly to the maintenance of freedom in the State, making this their craft, and engaging in no work which does not bear on this end, they ought not to practise or imitate anything else; if they imitate at all, they should imitate from youth upward only those characters which are suitable to their profession—the courageous, temperate, holy, free, and the like; but they should not depict or be skilful at imitating any kind of illiberality or baseness, lest from imitation they should come to be what they imitate. Did Dyou never observe how imitations, beginning in early youth and continuing far into life, at length grow into habits and become a second nature, affecting body, voice, and mind?
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Yes, certainly, he said.
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Imitations which are of the degrading sort. Then, I said, we will not allow those for whom we profess a care and of whom we say that they ought to be good men, to imitate a woman, whether young or old, quarrelling with her husband, or striving and vaunting against the gods in Econceit of her happiness, or when she is in affliction, or sorrow, or weeping; and certainly not one who is in sickness, love, or labour.
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Neither must they represent slaves, male or female, performing the offices of slaves?
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And surely not bad men, whether cowards or any others, who do the reverse of what we have just been prescribing, who scold or mock or revile one another in drink or out of drink, or who in any other manner sin against themselves and their neighbours in word or deed, as the manner of such is. 396Neither should they be trained to imitate the action or speech of men or women who are mad or bad; for madness, like vice, is to be known but not to be practised or imitated.
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Very true, he replied. 81
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Neither may they imitate smiths or other artificers, or Boarsmen, or boatswains, or the like?
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How can they, he said, when they are not allowed to apply their minds to the callings of any of these?
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Nor may they imitate the neighing of horses, the bellowing of bulls, the murmur of rivers and roll of the ocean, thunder, and all that sort of thing?
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Nay, he said, if madness be forbidden, neither may they copy the behaviour of madmen.
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You mean, I said, if I understand you aright, that there is one sort of narrative style which may be employed by a truly Cgood man when he has anything to say, and that another sort will be used by a man of an opposite character and education.
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And which are these two sorts? he asked.
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Imitations which may be encouraged. Suppose, I answered, that a just and good man in the course of a narration comes on some saying or action of another good man,—I should imagine that he will like to personate him, and will not be ashamed of this sort of imitation: he will be most ready to play the part of the Dgood man when he is acting firmly and wisely; in a less degree when he is overtaken by illness or love or drink, or has met with any other disaster. But when he comes to a character which is unworthy of him, he will not make a study of that; he will disdain such a person, and will assume his likeness, if at all, for a moment only when he is performing some good action; at other times he will be ashamed to play a part which he has never practised, nor will he like to fashion and frame himself after the baser models; he feels the Eemployment of such an art, unless in jest, to be beneath him, and his mind revolts at it.
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So I should expect, he replied.
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Then he will adopt a mode of narration such as we have illustrated out of Homer, that is to say, his style will be both imitative and narrative; but there will be very little of the former, and a great deal of the latter. Do you agree?
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Certainly, he said; that is the model which such a speaker 397must necessarily take.
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Imitations which are to be prohibited. But there is another sort of character who will narrate anything, and, the worse he is, the more unscrupulous he will be; nothing will be too bad for him: and he will be ready to 82 imitate anything, not as a joke, but in right good earnest, and before a large company. As I was just now saying, he will attempt to represent the roll of thunder, the noise of wind and hail, or the creaking of wheels, and pulleys, and the various sounds of flutes, pipes, trumpets, and all sorts of instruments: he will bark like a dog, bleat like Ba sheep, or crow like a cock; his entire art will consist in imitation of voice and gesture, and there will be very little narration.
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That, he said, will be his mode of speaking.
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These, then, are the two kinds of style?
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Two kinds of style—the one simple, the other multiplex. There is also a third which is a combination of the two. And you would agree with me in saying that one of them is simple and has but slight changes; and if the harmony and rhythm are also chosen for their simplicity, the result is that the speaker, if he speaks correctly, is always pretty much the same in style, and he will keep within the limits of a single harmony (for the changes are not great), and in Clike manner he will make use of nearly the same rhythm?
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That is quite true, he said.
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Whereas the other requires all sorts of harmonies and all sorts of rhythms, if the music and the style are to correspond, because the style has all sorts of changes.
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That is also perfectly true, he replied.
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And do not the two styles, or the mixture of the two, comprehend all poetry, and every form of expression in words? No one can say anything except in one or other of them or in both together.
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They include all, he said.
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D The simple style alone is to be admitted in the State; the attractions of the mixed style are acknowledged, but it appears to be excluded. And shall we receive into our State all the three styles, or one only of the two unmixed styles? or would you include the mixed?
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I should prefer only to admit the pure imitator of virtue.
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Yes, I said, Adeimantus, but the mixed style is also very charming: and indeed the pantomimic, which is the opposite of the one chosen by you, is the most popular style with children and their attendants, and with the world in general.
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But I suppose you would argue that such a style is unsuitable Eto our State, in which human nature is not twofold or manifold, for one man plays one part only? 83

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The Republic of Plato, translated by Benjamin Jowett, Project Gutenberg eBook #55201

Before BOOK III. Before BOOK IV.