BOOK I

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And he who is not on a voyage has no need of a pilot?
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Then in time of peace justice will be of no use?
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I am very far from thinking so.
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333You think that justice may be of use in peace as well as in war?
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Like husbandry for the acquisition of corn?
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Or like shoemaking for the acquisition of shoes,—that is what you mean?
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And what similar use or power of acquisition has justice in time of peace?
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Justice is useful in contracts, In contracts, Socrates, justice is of use.
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And by contracts you mean partnerships?
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BBut is the just man or the skilful player a more useful and better partner at a game of draughts?
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And in the laying of bricks and stones is the just man a more useful or better partner than the builder?
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Then in what sort of partnership is the just man a better partner than the harp-player, as in playing the harp the harp-player is certainly a better partner than the just man?
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Yes, Polemarchus, but surely not in the use of money; for you do not want a just man to be your counsellor in the purchase or sale of a horse; a man who is knowing about Chorses would be better for that, would he not?
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And when you want to buy a ship, the shipwright or the pilot would be better?
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Then what is that joint use of silver or gold in which the just man is to be preferred?
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especially in the safe-keeping of deposits. When you want a deposit to be kept safely.
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You mean when money is not wanted, but allowed to lie? 9
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But not in the use of money: and if so, justice is only useful when money or anything else is useless. That is to say, justice is useful when money is useless?
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And when you want to keep a pruning-hook safe, then justice is useful to the individual and to the state; but when you want to use it, then the art of the vine-dresser?
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And when you want to keep a shield or a lyre, and not to use them, you would say that justice is useful; but when you want to use them, then the art of the soldier or of the musician?
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And so of all other things;—justice is useful when they are useless, and useless when they are useful?
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EThen justice is not good for much. But let us consider this further point: Is not he who can best strike a blow in a boxing match or in any kind of fighting best able to ward off a blow?
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And he who is most skilful in preventing or escaping2 from a disease is best able to create one?

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The Republic of Plato, translated by Benjamin Jowett, Project Gutenberg eBook #55201

THE REPUBLIC. Before BOOK II.