PHILEBUS (continued 1)

Project Gutenberg EPUB3 edition Plato and Jowett, Benjamin
Open passage
SOCRATES: There are some mixtures which are of the body, and only in the body, and others which are of the soul, and only in the soul; while there are other mixtures of pleasures with pains, common both to soul and body, which in their composite state are called sometimes pleasures and sometimes pains.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: How is that?
Open passage
SOCRATES: Whenever, in the restoration or in the derangement of nature, a man experiences two opposite feelings; for example, when he is cold and is growing warm, or again, when he is hot and is becoming cool, and he wants to have the one and be rid of the other;—the sweet has a bitter, as the common saying is, and both together fasten upon him and create irritation and in time drive him to distraction.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: That description is very true to nature.
Open passage
SOCRATES: And in these sorts of mixtures the pleasures and pains are sometimes equal, and sometimes one or other of them predominates?
Open passage
SOCRATES: Of cases in which the pain exceeds the pleasure, an example is afforded by itching, of which we were just now speaking, and by the tingling which we feel when the boiling and fiery element is within, and the rubbing and motion only relieves the surface, and does not reach the parts affected; then if you put them to the fire, and as a last resort apply cold to them, you may often produce the most intense pleasure or pain in the inner parts, which contrasts and mingles with the pain or pleasure, as the case may be, of the outer parts; and this is due to the forcible separation of what is united, or to the union of what is separated, and to the juxtaposition of pleasure and pain.
Open passage
SOCRATES: Sometimes the element of pleasure prevails in a man, and the slight undercurrent of pain makes him tingle, and causes a gentle irritation; or again, the excessive infusion of pleasure creates an excitement in him,—he even leaps for joy, he assumes all sorts of attitudes, he changes all manner of colours, he gasps for breath, and is quite amazed, and utters the most irrational exclamations.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: Yes, indeed.
Open passage
SOCRATES: He will say of himself, and others will say of him, that he is dying with these delights; and the more dissipated and good-for-nothing he is, the more vehemently he pursues them in every way; of all pleasures he declares them to be the greatest; and he reckons him who lives in the most constant enjoyment of them to be the happiest of mankind.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: That, Socrates, is a very true description of the opinions of the majority about pleasures.
Open passage
SOCRATES: Yes, Protarchus, quite true of the mixed pleasures, which arise out of the communion of external and internal sensations in the body; there are also cases in which the mind contributes an opposite element to the body, whether of pleasure or pain, and the two unite and form one mixture. Concerning these I have already remarked, that when a man is empty he desires to be full, and has pleasure in hope and pain in vacuity. But now I must further add what I omitted before, that in all these and similar emotions in which body and mind are opposed (and they are innumerable), pleasure and pain coalesce in one.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: I believe that to be quite true.
Open passage
SOCRATES: There still remains one other sort of admixture of pleasures and pains.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: What is that?
Open passage
SOCRATES: The union which, as we were saying, the mind often experiences of purely mental feelings.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: What do you mean?
Open passage
SOCRATES: Why, do we not speak of anger, fear, desire, sorrow, love, emulation, envy, and the like, as pains which belong to the soul only?
Open passage
SOCRATES: And shall we not find them also full of the most wonderful pleasures? need I remind you of the anger
Open passage
'Which stirs even a wise man to violence, And is sweeter than honey and the honeycomb?'
Open passage
And you remember how pleasures mingle with pains in lamentation and bereavement?
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: Yes, there is a natural connexion between them.
Open passage
SOCRATES: And you remember also how at the sight of tragedies the spectators smile through their tears?
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: Certainly I do.
Open passage
SOCRATES: And are you aware that even at a comedy the soul experiences a mixed feeling of pain and pleasure?
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: I do not quite understand you.
Open passage
SOCRATES: I admit, Protarchus, that there is some difficulty in recognizing this mixture of feelings at a comedy.
Open passage
PROTARCHUS: There is, I think.
Open passage
SOCRATES: And the greater the obscurity of the case the more desirable is the examination of it, because the difficulty in detecting other cases of mixed pleasures and pains will be less.
Open passage
SOCRATES: I have just mentioned envy; would you not call that a pain of the soul?
Open passage
SOCRATES: And yet the envious man finds something in the misfortunes of his neighbours at which he is pleased?
Open passage
SOCRATES: And ignorance, and what is termed clownishness, are surely an evil?
Open passage
SOCRATES: From these considerations learn to know the nature of the ridiculous.

Source attribution

Philebus, Project Gutenberg eBook #1744

PHILEBUS