BOOK IV.

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Steph. 419Republic IV. ADEIMANTUS, SOCRATES. An objection that Socrates has made his citizens poor and miserable: HERE Adeimantus interposed a question: How would you answer, Socrates, said he, if a person were to say that you are making1 these people miserable, and that they are the cause of their own unhappiness; the city in fact belongs to them, but they are none the better for it; whereas other men acquire lands, and build large and handsome houses, and have everything handsome about them, offering sacrifices to the gods on their own account, and practising hospitality; moreover, as you were saying just now, they have gold and silver, and all that is usual among the favourites of fortune; but our poor citizens are no better than mercenaries who are quartered in the city and are always mounting guard?
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420and worst of all, adds Socrates, they have no money. Yes, I said; and you may add that they are only fed, and not paid in addition to their food, like other men; and therefore they cannot, if they would, take a journey of pleasure; they have no money to spend on a mistress or any other luxurious fancy, which, as the world goes, is thought to be happiness; and many other accusations of the same nature might be added.
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But, said he, let us suppose all this to be included in the charge.
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B You mean to ask, I said, what will be our answer?
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Yet very likely they may be the happiest of mankind. If we proceed along the old path, my belief, I said, is that we shall find the answer. And our answer will be that, even as they are, our guardians may very likely be the happiest of men; but that our aim in founding the State was not the disproportionate happiness of any one class, but the greatest happiness of the whole; we thought that in a State 108 which is ordered with a view to the good of the whole we should be most likely to find justice, and in the ill-ordered CState injustice: and, having found them, we might then decide which of the two is the happier. At present, I take it, we are fashioning the happy State, not piecemeal, or with a view of making a few happy citizens, but as a whole; and by-and-by we will proceed to view the opposite kind of State. The State, like a statue, must be judged of as a whole.Suppose that we were painting a statue, and some one came up to us and said, Why do you not put the most beautiful colours on the most beautiful parts of the body—the eyes ought to be purple, but you have made them black—to him Dwe might fairly answer, Sir, you would not surely have us beautify the eyes to such a degree that they are no longer eyes; consider rather whether, by giving this and the other features their due proportion, we make the whole beautiful. And so I say to you, do not compel us to assign to the guardians a sort of happiness which will make them anything but guardians;
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Efor we too can clothe our husbandmen in royal apparel, and set crowns of gold on their heads, and bid them till the ground as much as they like, and no more. Our potters also might be allowed to repose on couches, and feast by the fireside, passing round the winecup, while their wheel is conveniently at hand, and working at pottery only as much as they like; in this way we might make every class happy—and then, as you imagine, the whole State would be happy. But do not put this idea into our heads; for, 421if we listen to you, the husbandman will be no longer a husbandman, the potter will cease to be a potter, and no one will have the character of any distinct class in the State. Now this is not of much consequence where the corruption of society, and pretension to be what you are not, is confined to cobblers; but when the guardians of the laws and of the government are only seeming and not real guardians, then see how they turn the State upside down; and on the other hand they alone have the power of giving order and happiness to the State. The guardians must be guardians, not boon companions.We mean our guardians to be true Bsaviours and not the destroyers of the State, whereas our opponent is thinking of peasants at a festival, who are enjoying a life of revelry, not of citizens who are doing their duty to the State. But, if so, we mean different things, and he is 109 speaking of something which is not a State.
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And therefore we must consider whether in appointing our guardians we would look to their greatest happiness individually, or whether this principle of happiness does not rather reside in the State as a whole. But if the latter be the truth, then the guardians Cand auxiliaries, and all others equally with them, must be compelled or induced to do their own work in the best way. And thus the whole State will grow up in a noble order, and the several classes will receive the proportion of happiness which nature assigns to them.
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I think that you are quite right.
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I wonder whether you will agree with another remark which occurs to me.
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D There seem to be two causes of the deterioration of the arts.
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Wealth, I said, and poverty.
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When an artisan grows rich, he becomes careless: if he is very poor, he has no money to buy tools with. The city should be neither poor nor rich. The process is as follows: When a potter becomes rich, will he, think you, any longer take the same pains with his art?
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He will grow more and more indolent and careless?
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And the result will be that he becomes a worse potter?
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Yes; he greatly deteriorates.
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But, on the other hand, if he has no money, and cannot provide himself with tools or instruments, he will not work Eequally well himself, nor will he teach his sons or apprentices to work equally well.
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Then, under the influence either of poverty or of wealth, workmen and their work are equally liable to degenerate?
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Here, then, is a discovery of new evils, I said, against which the guardians will have to watch, or they will creep into the city unobserved.
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422 Wealth, I said, and poverty; the one is the parent of 110 luxury and indolence, and the other of meanness and viciousness, and both of discontent.
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But how, being poor, can she contend against a wealthy enemy? That is very true, he replied; but still I should like to know, Socrates, how our city will be able to go to war, especially against an enemy who is rich and powerful, if deprived of the sinews of war.
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There would certainly be a difficulty, I replied, in going Bto war with one such enemy; but there is no difficulty where there are two of them.
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Our wiry soldiers will be more than a match for their fat neighbours. In the first place, I said, if we have to fight, our side will be trained warriors fighting against an army of rich men.
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And do you not suppose, Adeimantus, that a single boxer who was perfect in his art would easily be a match for two stout and well-to-do gentlemen who were not boxers?
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Hardly, if they came upon him at once.
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What, now, I said, if he were able to run away and then Cturn and strike at the one who first came up? And supposing he were to do this several times under the heat of a scorching sun, might he not, being an expert, overturn more than one stout personage?
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Certainly, he said, there would be nothing wonderful in that.
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And yet rich men probably have a greater superiority in the science and practise of boxing than they have in military qualities.

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1Or, ‘that for their own good you are making these people miserable.’

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The Republic of Plato, translated by Benjamin Jowett, Project Gutenberg eBook #55201

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