BOOK II.

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Then we shall want merchants?
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And if merchandise is to be carried over the sea, skilful Bsailors will also be needed, and in considerable numbers?
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Yes, in considerable numbers.
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Then, again, within the city, how will they exchange their 52 productions? To secure such an exchange was, as you will remember, one of our principal objects when we formed them into a society and constituted a State.
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Clearly they will buy and sell.
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Then they will need a market-place, and a money-token for purposes of exchange.
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The origin of retail trade.CSuppose now that a husbandman, or an artisan, brings some production to market, and he comes at a time when there is no one to exchange with him,—is he to leave his calling and sit idle in the market-place?
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Not at all; he will find people there who, seeing the want, undertake the office of salesmen. In well-ordered states they are commonly those who are the weakest in bodily strength, and therefore of little use for any other purpose; their duty is Dto be in the market, and to give money in exchange for goods to those who desire to sell and to take money from those who desire to buy.
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This want, then, creates a class of retail-traders in our State. Is not ‘retailer’ the term which is applied to those who sit in the market-place engaged in buying and selling, while those who wander from one city to another are called merchants?
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EAnd there is another class of servants, who are intellectually hardly on the level of companionship; still they have plenty of bodily strength for labour, which accordingly they sell, and are called, if I do not mistake, hirelings, hire being the name which is given to the price of their labour.
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Then hirelings will help to make up our population?
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And now, Adeimantus, is our State matured and perfected?
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Where, then, is justice, and where is injustice, and in what part of the State did they spring up?
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372Probably in the dealings of these citizens with one another. I cannot imagine that they are more likely to be found any where else.
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I dare say that you are right in your suggestion, I said; 53 we had better think the matter out, and not shrink from the enquiry.
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A picture of primitive life. Let us then consider, first of all, what will be their way of life, now that we have thus established them. Will they not produce corn, and wine, and clothes, and shoes, and build houses for themselves? And when they are housed, they will work, in summer, commonly, stripped and barefoot, but Bin winter substantially clothed and shod. They will feed on barley-meal and flour of wheat, baking and kneading them, making noble cakes and loaves; these they will serve up on a mat of reeds or on clean leaves, themselves reclining the while upon beds strewn with yew or myrtle. And they and their children will feast, drinking of the wine which they have made, wearing garlands on their heads, and hymning the praises of the gods, in happy converse with one another. CAnd they will take care that their families do not exceed their means; having an eye to poverty or war.
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SOCRATES, GLAUCON. But, said Glaucon, interposing, you have not given them a relish to their meal.
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True, I replied, I had forgotten; of course they must have a relish—salt, and olives, and cheese, and they will boil roots and herbs such as country people prepare; for a dessert we shall give them figs, and peas, and beans; and they will roast myrtle-berries and acorns at the fire, drinking in moderation. DAnd with such a diet they may be expected to live in peace and health to a good old age, and bequeath a similar life to their children after them.
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Yes, Socrates, he said, and if you were providing for a city of pigs, how else would you feed the beasts?
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But what would you have, Glaucon? I replied.
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Why, he said, you should give them the ordinary conveniences of life. People who are to be comfortable are accustomed to lie on sofas, and dine off tables, and they should Ehave sauces and sweets in the modern style.
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A luxurious State must be called into existence, Yes, I said, now I understand: the question which you would have me consider is, not only how a State, but how a luxurious State is created; and possibly there is no harm in this, for in such a State we shall be more likely to see how justice and injustice originate. In my opinion the true and healthy constitution of the State is the one which I have 54 described. But if you wish also to see a State at fever-heat, I have no objection. For I suspect that many will not be 373satisfied with the simpler way of life. They will be for adding sofas, and tables, and other furniture; also dainties, and perfumes, and incense, and courtesans, and cakes, all these not of one sort only, but in every variety; we must go beyond the necessaries of which I was at first speaking, such as houses, and clothes, and shoes: the arts of the painter and the embroiderer will have to be set in motion, and gold and ivory and all sorts of materials must be procured.
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and in this many new callings will be required. Then we must enlarge our borders; for the original healthy State is no longer sufficient. Now will the city have to fill and swell with a multitude of callings which are not required by any natural want; such as the whole tribe of hunters and actors, of whom one large class have to do with forms and colours; another will be the votaries of music—poets and their attendant train of rhapsodists, players, dancers, contractors; also makers of divers kinds of articles, Cincluding women’s dresses. And we shall want more servants. Will not tutors be also in request, and nurses wet and dry, tirewomen and barbers, as well as confectioners and cooks; and swineherds, too, who were not needed and therefore had no place in the former edition of our State, but are needed now? They must not be forgotten: and there will be animals of many other kinds, if people eat them.
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DAnd living in this way we shall have much greater need of physicians than before?
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And the country which was enough to support the original inhabitants will be too small now, and not enough?
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The territory of our State must be enlarged; and hence will arise war between us and our neighbours. Then a slice of our neighbours’ land will be wanted by us for pasture and tillage, and they will want a slice of ours, if, like ourselves, they exceed the limit of necessity, and give themselves up to the unlimited accumulation of wealth?
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EThat, Socrates, will be inevitable.
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And so we shall go to war, Glaucon. Shall we not?
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Most certainly, he replied. 55

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The Republic of Plato, translated by Benjamin Jowett, Project Gutenberg eBook #55201

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